Saturday, July 24, 2010

Boat Trailersportable

Discussion on "chemtrails" by Tom Wood (Nexus) / 6

The early part of this debate is published here. The smaller print indicates that this is a paragraph of quotation from a previous mail.


July 24, 2010 Good morning Mr. Woods, I'll answer directly

in questo articolo sul mio blog, invece di farlo via mail come finora, perché vedo che il rapido accavallarsi di citazioni reciproche sta rendendo difficile ai lettori seguire il discorso e capire chi ha detto cosa. Le propongo di fare anche lei la stessa cosa, pubblicando la sua risposta nel suo sito o blog. Potremmo linkarci a vicenda e in questo modo rendere un servizio migliore ai lettori e non spendere tempo nella reimpaginazione delle mail per pubblicarle.

Nella sua mail precedente , parlando del recente video "Chemtrail spraying (NOT!)" e della sua mancata rimozione da Youtube, lei dice che "rimuovere l'originale significherebbe soltanto confermare la validità documentale del video e dare reason than that she likes to call "conspiracy" or "sciachimisti" . Not really. A video may be removed for many reasons. Removing a video does not necessarily confirm its validity.

She then asked me how do I know that the authors of the video have not been tracked down and silenced or subject to court martial. Obviously I do not know. But I do not even know her. In fact, the problem is that we are thinking about nothing, or almost. There is a video on YouTube we do not know the author and do not know the circumstances of the shooting. We can indulge in fantasies of all sorts, but in the end there are a few facts. It makes sense to base serious accusation (the systematic spraying of large areas with secret substances bad) on a video on YouTube anonymously? I think not. To such accusations, it takes hard evidence.

An anonymous video on Youtube is not concrete evidence. Yet she claims to be "absolutely convinced (as well as my partners) that it is a trail of chemistry . On what basis? Does not it seem risky to base his beliefs on an anonymous video? And if it was really a hoax?

you note that my explanation of the video (a joke made by pilots to taunt supporters of the "chemtrails") is only a hypothesis. True. But so is his alternative explanation, for which we do not have any element of support.

Let's compare the two cases.
My
: military pilots see a better aerodynamic contrail and the resume and put it on Youtube and make fun of supporters of "chemtrails." Proponents of the "chemtrails" bait and continue to do so despite the authors of the video avvisino them clearly that it was a joke, and it raises even more the hilarity of the authors of the video, which let on Youtube. His

: military pilots participating in a secret operation of spraying toxic manage to overcome all the security checks, violating military secrecy of the highest standard to be clear surround operation of this terrible flow, and can continue with impunity to a plane that makes a "chemical trail" and put the video on Youtube, to reveal to the world conspiracy, and no one to block them in advance. Do not make it for example on Wikileaks, where they guarantee anonymity, but put it on Youtube, where it is easy for authorities to trace their identity. When the video begins to spread, the organizers of the conspiracy decide not to remove the video for "do not confirm the validity of the documentary video" , although the video is a detailed visual evidence of the existence of secret spraying, but convinced the authors to say that this is a hoax.

Which one is the most logical? Which one is easier? Which one is more consistent with the (few) facts? Which one is the hypothesis most sensational and extraordinary, and therefore more in need of confirmation?

In my opinion, his hypothesis amounts to saying that the famous Modigliani heads were not a hoax created by three students from Livorno to make fun of art critics who believed the real, but they were true and sculptures by Modigliani students were forced by someone to say that it was a hoax.

She says "I'm sure that even if we could finally have a sample of the atmosphere at high altitude and this showed content of barium, aluminum or other substances which are incompatible with standard atmosphere, would be some argument for hauling water to his mill. " Apart from the fact that she can not be certain about what I could or could not do (although she did not " the gift of telepathy " gives me jokingly), that is an important thing. The samples have been collected , directly into the wake and since the seventies. Contrails aircraft from the ground can be analyzed with methods rigorous and scientifically accepted as the LIDAR (read for example, D. Atlas, Contrails to Cirrus in Journal of Applied Meteorology , 2004). If the advocates of "chemtrails" wanted farlo, potrebbero usare questi metodi. Ma sembra che preferiscano basarsi su video anonimi pubblicati su Youtube e su analisi di acqua piovana e terra raccolta da dilettanti. Per questo i sostenitori delle "scie chimiche" hanno un grosso problema di credibilità.

In secondo luogo, su che basi tecniche lei afferma che il bario e l'alluminio sono "incompatibili con l'atmosfera standard" ? Cosa avrebbero di così pericoloso bario e alluminio? Io vedo che lei fa molte affermazioni categoriche, ma non porta prove tecniche di queste affermazioni. Non è un modo corretto di procedere, specialmente quando si accusa qualcuno di crimini contro l'umanità intera.

Guardi, signor Bosco, tagliamo la testa al toro e andiamo al sodo. Lei mi propone video su video, ma così non si va da nessuna parte, come lei stesso ammette ( "questa controversia andrà avanti all'infinito!" ). Le faccio una domanda semplice e diretta, e la faccio per capire, non per insinuare: se lei è così convinto che "le cosiddette "scie chimiche" sono un fenomeno tremendamente reale" e che esista questo temibile complotto internazionale che sta avvelenando sistematicamente milioni di persone, che ci fa ancora qui? Perché se ne sta qui a farsi avvelenare giorno e notte e non si rifugia nei vari luoghi che, stando ai sostenitori delle "scie chimiche", non vengono irrorati?

Questa, a mio parere, è la contraddizione key supporters of the "chemtrails" say they have conclusive evidence that it rains on their manure, but do nothing to avoid. I would like to explain to me why, because frankly I do not understand.

Friday, July 23, 2010

Where To Insert Penis With Diagram

Discussion on "chemtrails" / 5

The early part of this debate is published here. The smaller print indicates that this is a paragraph of quotation from a previous mail.


July 22, 2010


Bosco writes to me:

On 21 Jul 2010, at 18:14, Tom Woods wrote:


agree with me that it is difficult to remove something which has now downloaded and posted elsewhere by hundreds of people, no?


But in the meantime) you remove the original b) tracks down and shut up (or rather, is undergoing court-martial or goes to court) responsible for the pubblivazione military secrets to the highest level. Neither of these things happened.

a) remove the original document would only confirm the validity of the video and to agree with what she likes to call "conspiracy" or "sciachimisti and b) how does she know that this has not happened?

It is true that the person in question should have been more prudent to listen to his colleague: "Oh God, don't... don't video it right now!" e "Don't... don't do any [incomprensibile]."


Oppure il collega sta recitando per far venire meglio la burla.

Questa rimane solo una sua ipotesi.


Lo so, l'umorismo dei piloti a volte è difficile da cogliere.


Be', sono pilota anch'io e, ritengo, anche dotato di un certo umorismo, ma in questo caso proprio non riesco a coglierlo...


L'umorismo sta nel fatto di riprendere un fenomeno perfettamente normale per chi fa volo a quote da aereo di linea e dire quattro stupidaggini per prendere in giro chi crede che si tratti di una scia chimica. Un po' come lanciare un frisbee per aria e filmarlo intanto che si grida "Un UFO, un UFO!!".

Vedi risposta precedente.

È umorismo. Il tono della risata e della voce dell'altra persona, che "supplica" di non riprendere, è inequivocabile.


Forse sarà inequivocabile per lei, ma non per me... né per molte altre persone, un paio delle quali piloti professionisti in attività.


Sono madrelingua inglese. So distinguere quando un anglofono fa umorismo.

Madrelingua inglese? Magari riuscirà a cogliere il tipico umorismo britannico, ma questi sono statunitensi... non è la stessa cosa! Come affermò il generale Patton in un suo discorso, "gli inglesi e gli americani sono due popoli divisi dalla stessa comunanza di lingua..." E poi, trovo paradossale che proprio lei parli come se fosse dotato del dono della telepatia...


Questi piloti professionisti confermano che si tratta di una "scia chimica" e non di una contrail aerodinamica?

Lei parla di confermare come se fosse possibile dare una risposta e una verità definitiva... se fosse così semplice, cosa staremmo qui a discutere? Io sono assolutamente convinto (così come i miei interlocutori) che si tratti di una scia chimica, she is absolutely convinced that this is a contrail aerodynamics, and there is no way for me to convince them otherwise ... this controversy will go on forever! I'm sure that even if we could finally have a sample of the atmosphere at high altitude and this showed content of barium, aluminum or other substances which are incompatible with standard atmosphere, some would claim to pull the water to his mill. Even before the evidence of this extraordinary video had the intellectual honesty to admit that so-called "chemtrails" are a real phenomenon tremendously. To cite Andreotti, who said that "to think the worst is a sin but we often guesses", I find that curious His response to my email is strangely come only "after" the author of the video in question was withdrawn, providing you and all the skeptics with a vengeance (not to use other terms) a perfect escape ... I know that for a couple of days you go out literally in the ball! Of course, this is just my opinion.


Not to mention that 'It's like "is" as if sprayed. Are you saying that _somiglia_ in a spray, then it is not.


Or maybe it is as if originating from the spray. "


No. Grammatically it makes no sense.

Sorry, no I agree. This is not to say you're right, but just not at all certain that there has to her.



Apart from anything else, the basic problem remains: why the authors of an alleged conspiracy would be so secretive and dangerous scoundrels to dissolve a video that shows their deadly work and then leave it even published?


In fact, when they realized the "crap" they put a piece ... (See my earlier comment) just as they say here in the Veneto, "This is the buso Tacon Pezo el" (the patch is worse than the hole).


So the organizers of the conspiracy are so DUMB that not only allow us to do even a video, not just let it be published, but also wrong even to manage the leak? Yet after decades these wimps can keep a secret giant conspiracy? It seems to me rather than adversarial.

Maybe we have not understood, or more likely, pretending not to understand. No one has "left" that was made a video, it's just happened. No one has "left" that was published, it's just happened. The cialtroneria was in the way they handled the situation later, but this seems fairly typical of certain military mentality. More simply, it is verified that, after all these years, it could happen sooner or later ... and it happened. It's simple statistics ...

I find it rather surprising that a driver like you are not aware of these phenomena and this documentation. He tried to discuss with his colleagues in flight?

am fully aware of these phenomena, just not what I observe in the video

What are the differences?

I attached a photo as an example. Assuming that it actually shows the phenomenon of condensation aerodynamics we're talking about, and I have no reason to doubt it, what is observed seems to me very different from what you see in the video indicted. In addition, a proper comparison it could be done only by comparing it with another video, and not a static photograph ...


And, yes, I have discussed with some fellow drivers.


What did they say?

We all agree to judge this recovery as one of the best demonstrations of the phenomenon of chemtrails, but as evidenced by this latest debate, this will not help the party unrivet deniers' with a vengeance that she magnificently represents.


In this regard, I will tell you that time, I blend a rather interesting and I think it is high time to implement it, but do not ask me what it is ... I would not spoil the surprise! A little 'patience, and you will see ...


Me had already mentioned months ago, during this exchange of mail. I hope that the promise, sooner or later, is maintained. The more data there are, the less mysteries remain.

I was not referring to that, however, that if it was only that I had already been maintained for some time. But even this idea would significantly help to settle the vexed question ...


but there you are ... As usual, everyone sees what they want to see. Of course, this may include my commentary on the our discussion.


Fine, I'll do it willingly.


I'm counting. Of course also add these notations ...




Absolutely.

I also read his thoughts on the other points of debate are still outstanding. Unfortunately at this moment I really can not find more time to respond adequately, but I assure you that as soon as I can I will, although it may take several weeks. Just do this the attentive readers.

Regards to you, and soon

Tom

Later, Woods adds that other mail:

Dear Paul, I did not expect that this interesting video to add or subtract something to our discussion, but to be fair I'd like the site and I rated particular sequences that appear to 2:30 to 3:00, 3:36 to 3:59, 4:00 to 4:16 (especially the detail observable in the latter, or the double trail coming out of the second counting from the right engine). Speaking of contrails in this case it seems to me nothing short of grotesque (unless the turbines are not classified aircraft powered completely by water, and even then I'd have some doubts), but pass the ball to her. I would be grateful also if it complemented our most recent exchange with my last answer.
Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNfdsakIE18&feature=player_embedded #!

Sincerely

Tom Bosco

This is the video mentioned by Wood:


answer to Woods that I saw the video and that will take up the discussion as soon as possible because I'm working on another.

Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Alcohol After Hepatitis B Injection

Debate on " chemtrails / 4

The early part of this debate is published here.

July 17, 2010 I am writing to


Bosco (the small print indicates a quote):


agree with me that it is difficult to remove something which has now been downloaded and posted elsewhere by hundreds of people, no?

But in the meantime) you remove the original b) tracks down and shut up (or rather, is undergoing court-martial or goes to court) responsible for the pubblivazione military secrets to the highest level. Neither of these things happened.

It is true that the person in question should have been more prudent to listen to his colleague: "Oh God, do not ... do not video it right now!" and "Do not Do not Do Any ... [inaudible]."

Or the colleague is playing to be the best joke.


I know, the humor of the drivers is sometimes difficult to observe.

Be ', and I have the pilot, I think, even with a smile, but in this case I just can not catch him ...

The humor is that it resume a perfectly normal phenomenon for those who make a straight flight by commercial airline and is four stupid to make fun of those who believe that it is a chemical trail. A little 'how to throw a frisbee in the air and film him while he shouts "A UFO, a UFO!".


and humor. The tone of the laughter and the voice of person, "pleads" not to resume, is unmistakable.

Maybe it will be clear to you, but not for me ... or for many other people, a couple of them professional pilots in business.

are native English speakers. So when an anglophone makes distinguish humor.

These professional pilots confirmed that this is a "chemical trail" and not an aerodynamic contrail?


Not to mention that 'It's like "is" as if sprayed. Are you saying that _somiglia_ in a spray, then it is not.

Or perhaps "it is as if originating from the spray."

No. Does not make sense grammatically.


Apart from anything else, the basic problem remains: why the authors of an alleged conspiracy would be so secretive and dangerous scoundrels to dissolve a video that shows their deadly work and then leave it even published?

In fact, when they realized the "crap" they put a piece ... (See my earlier comment) just as they say here in the Veneto, "This is the buso Tacon Pezo el" (the patch is worse than the hole).

So the organizers of the conspiracy are so DUMB that not only allow us to do even a video, not just let it be published, but even wrong also to manage the leak? Yet after decades these wimps can keep a secret giant conspiracy? It seems to me rather than adversarial.



I find it rather surprising that a driver like you are not aware of these phenomena and this documentation. He tried to discuss with his colleagues in flight?

am fully aware of these phenomena, just not what I observe in the video

What are the differences?

. And, yes, I have discussed with some fellow drivers.

What did they say?

In this regard, I will tell that time, I blend a rather interesting and I think it is time to translate it into reality, but do not ask me what it is ... I would not spoil the surprise! A little 'patience, and you will see ...

Me had already mentioned months ago, during this exchange of mail. I hope that the promise, sooner or later, is maintained. The more data there are, the less mysteries remain.


, but so ... As usual, everyone sees what they want to see. Of course, this may include my comment to our discussion.

Fine, I'll do it willingly.

I'm counting. Of course also add these notations ...


Absolutely. Cordial greetings



Paul

Since we have taken the debate, also responds to the foregoing of wood:

On Dec 16, 2009, at 15:11, Tom Woods wrote:

Any comment would be appreciated. ..

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23201747/Lettera-a-Mercalli-Onorato-Delitala-1 °-M-llo-Domenico-Azzone-Expert-Weather-AM


Good evening Mr Wood,

I resume this old match to add to our debate: I saw the document, and note that Azzopardi said that "not all contrails made by aircraft (military and / or civilian) are all normal, at least from the date of the late 70s early 80s of the twentieth century ". So his statement contradicts those who argue that the contrail anomalous started in the nineties, and this is a gave very interesting.

More importantly, Azzone brings no concrete proof of this assertion, nor any empirical data, but only his visual impressions. It's a little 'bit.

Azzone I also note that, on an article of La Stampa of June 2009 on the alleged new clouds (the asperatus)

http://www.lastampa.it/cmstp/rubriche/commentiRub.asp?ID_blog=248&ID_articolo=47

wrote that "the typical behavior and should have - and for ethics, for moral, both for consistency and respect for both himself and to the chosen profession - the true scientist" is "acquire information first-hand, lift the noble ass from the chair and investigate in person in the act, perhaps using an ad hoc aircraft in order to aspirate the contents of / and cloud / i and shoot camera as well as examine the cloud and its eventual lysis and any additional phases the phenomenon. After doing all this and more, real and free the scientist considers it appropriate, may give its opinion on the matter. "

It 's a beautiful thought: why supporters of "chemtrails" do not practice this suggestion? What Azzone improperly called "official science" (as if there were an "unofficial") has already done and published the results since the Seventies:

[1] WA Hovis, Infrared Reflectance of High Altitude Clouds; Applied Optics;

1970 [2] TFLee; Jet Contrail identification using the AVHRR Infrared Split Window, J. Appl. Meteor.; 1988

[3] D. Atlas; Contrails to Cirrus, J. Appl. Meteor.; 2004

[4] RS Gao; on Measurements of humidity in a persistent contrail, Atmospheric Environment, 2006

[5] A. Petzold, Elemental composition and morphology of ice-crystal residual particles in cirrus clouds and contrails; Atmospheric Research, 1998

[6] B. Karcher, Aviation-Produced Aerosols and Contrails, Survey in Geophysics, 1999

[7] CH Twohy; Electron microscope analysis of residual particles from aircraft contrails, Geophysical Research Letters, 1998

Among other things, some of the techniques described in this publications do not even need to fly.

So I wonder, and I ask you: why the supporters of the idea of \u200b\u200b"chemtrails" do not equip it properly and use science to document their claims, as suggested by very colorfully Domenico Azzopardi? It would help

to carry off the bull.


Sincerely, Paul

Attivissimo

Finally, I catch up with the considerations of past forest that were still outstanding

Good evening Mr Wood,

I'll be back briefly on his remarks released by her here:

http://lacampanadelloziotom.blogspot.com/2009/05/scie-chimiche-la-storia-infinita.html

and were part of our debate. Answer only the main points for discussion and not to waste too would suggest to stay on a "question and answer" brief for nterventi future.

She wrote:

I find it extremely difficult, right now (May 28, at 15:03), abide by the rules of a peaceful confrontation on this issue, such is the disgust I feel at having to stand here and discuss in a "politically correct" about the existence of so-called "contrails chemical "while in the sky above my head raging air activity unprecedented since this morning at 9 (when the sky was clear, blue, clear, and there was a plane to pay for it) started a dazzling spectacle that define not justice. At any time watching the sky, I could observe and count a minimum of six aircraft until even 9:00 to 10:00, all with their beautiful persistent contrails that blend together. The sky is now a milky brew, and I should accept the idea of \u200b\u200bbeing a paranoid, noted that the traffic is completely normal and that those are very normal condensation trails ...

If they were anything abnormal, does not think that the meteorologists and pilots would shout in unison to the scandal?

Indeed, more simply, how do you explain that meteorologists and pilots do not complain of this anomaly, which she describes as a chorus so loud that it can not not be noticed? It seems very strange that those living and working with the sky has nothing to object. She explains it like?

And again, if there really is this huge process of spraying, with thousands of planes every day that wakes generated the disgust, where the effects of this alleged spraying? Should be very showy, otherwise the whole operation would not be effective and efficient. For example, if you wanted to poison the population, would be more efficient to do it through the aqueducts.


She also wrote that his "best evidence", the best evidence of the existence of the phenomenon, was this:

the fact that in many circumstances, a disproportionate number of aircraft they were to issue long persistent trails occupying a space of sky at the time, according to figures provided by agencies, did not offer favorable weather conditions to the formation of contrails. A fortiori when some of these aircraft, on occasion, were at odds considerably less than the minimum needed to trigger this phenomenon (a fact which I personally witnessed several times).

If contrails are formed in weather conditions that do not allow it, why the drivers do not report such a glaring anomaly?

to be the smallest in what you need, remember that the technical documentation (from Appleman on) does not define any minimum amount necessary.

She also mentions a video that shows how to test these anomalous units:

One of these cases is well documented in this short video, shot on the outskirts of Turin October 6, 2003, which possess full version, which certainly offers a better quality and definition


It seems quite clear (although it based on the statements of the operator who carried out the shooting), which framed the aircraft is flying at an altitude considerably lower than canonical 8,000 + yards ...


all? This is a "best evidence" very poor. With all the traffic of aircraft suspected that she describes, there is no better? Only a few seconds of a plane that you do not know the value (an estimate "occhiometrica" \u200b\u200bI think very little scientific argument - and remember that 8000 meters are not canonical)? A plane that you do not know the route, time or brands, with no indication of what were the local weather at cruising altitude?

It takes much more serious documentation before you say that we are bombarded by a flock of planes that spray substances mysterious secrets. Where is it? If the movement of supporters of the "chemtrails" wants to be taken seriously, he must bring evidence, data, experiments, no video on Youtube. That 's what we claim to any scientific statement.

As you mentioned patents as "potentially linked to the phenomenon of chemtrails" are generic descriptions of sprinklers or sprinklers for use in aircraft. Devices of this kind are used for spraying fields (low level) for decades. I do not see the novelty. One (No. 3813875) is about to launch rockets into the air and barium and then has nothing to do with planes. Another (6315213) speaks of polymers to adjust the rain as "cloud seeding" is not a secret and do not need planes that fly day and night to do it. And so on. But the basic question is another: why the military would be stupid enough to publish their patent technologies ipersegrete?

As for HAARP, just a minimum of energy calculations to understand that HAARP may not have any weather effects. The natural energies at play in the atmosphere are higher than those generations immensamentei by HAARP. If you'll pardon the metaphor a bit 'trivial, to think that HAARP can affect the climate or the weather is like thinking that a belch can stop a tornado.

She relates a curious episode:

I heard direct testimony from more than one passenger in flight over the Atlantic speaking instruction to close all the canopies for shade, day and night by the crew, just at this area. Of course those who have peeked from behind the curtains he saw with his own eyes something that bordered on the incredible ...

So even the hostesses are part of the conspiracy?

Finally, she mentions a "crucial evidence" saying that he was working to get it:

A sampling of the atmosphere at high altitude, combined with the occurrence of the phenomenon in question.


It 'been done? A year has passed since you wrote this intention by saying it hopes to "unable to realize it within the current year."

For photos of trails you mentioned, images are quite normal: I myself have taken a similar above my house. The planes tend to follow the same routes, so that trace the same path at different times. Pass a plane, leaving a contrail, the wind moves across and then get another plane to leave in its wake, and the wind shifts, e così via. Questo forma le scie parallele. Il traffico civile segue eccome rotte ellittiche o circolari: si chiamano "holding pattern". E in cielo ci sono anche aerei militari leggeri, che possono fare manovre strette e lasciare scie di condensazione. Tutti gli altri presunti fenomeni sono ben documentati come normali effetti di una scia di condensazione. Mi soffermo soltanto sull'ultima immagine [mostrata qui sotto] , quella per la quale lei chiede

Modificazione elettromagnetica del clima? I meteorologi cos'hanno da dire in proposito?

Mi sorprende che lei non conosca una "hole punch cloud" . Ne trova abbondanti esempi qui:

http://sciechimicheinfo.blogspot.com/2008/12/un-buco-nelle-nubi.html

and

http://sciechimicheinfo.blogspot.com/2009/01/nubi-insolite-ma- natural-5.html

It surprises me that you, instead of putting questions like these, do not do the simplest thing: ask a meteorologist. That's what I did. Do not just ask questions: you also have the diligence to seek the answers. Otherwise you will not get ahead.


Sincerely

Paul Attivissimo

The discussion continues here .

White Discharge Period

Discussion on "chemtrails" / 3

continues, after a long pause, the public debate with Tom Woods Nexus on the phenomenon of "Chemtrails." The previous installments are published here (the first) and here (the second). All mail posted here are published with permission of Tom Woods and me.


December 16, 2009 on 16/12/2009


Tom Bosco tells me a letter an expert forecast, Domenico Azzopardi, the magazine Nimbus. and asks me a comment. The letter seems to confirm authoritatively the existence of anomalous contrails. They took off for the recurrence of lunar landings and I have to postpone the answer. Wonder if Woods has subsequently conducted the experiment that was announced a few months before, but Woods said he "delegate the matter e la cosa si è un po' impantanata" .


17 luglio 2010


Tom Bosco mi scrive:

Gentile Paolo, non ci sentiamo da un bel pezzo e mi domandavo se riuscisse a trovare il tempo di commentare questo video estremamente interessante:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IIJ_186P8U&feature=player_embedded

Cordiali saluti

Tom Bosco/NEXUS

Il video in questione è questo:



21 luglio 2010


Rispondo a Tom Bosco:

Buongiorno Tom,

sono rientrato adesso da un viaggio e ho visto il video. Mi sembra chiaro oltre ogni ragionevole dubbio che si tratti di contrail aerodinamiche e che la voce nel video si diverta molto nel considerare che se la ripresa va su Youtube qualcuno penserà che si tratti di una prova schiacciante di "scie chimiche". Del resto, il video è intitolato "Chemtrail spraying (NOT!)".

Come mai mi ha segnalato questo video? È molto bello, con i riflessi arcobaleno nella contrail e la sua nitida inquadratura dall'alto (presumo dalla cabina di pilotaggio di un altro velivolo), ma non mi sembra che sposti affatto i termini della questione.

Spero di poter riprendere la nostra discussione pubblica: anzi, le va bene se includo anche questo nostro scambio nella discussione?


Cordiali saluti

Paolo Attivissimo

Tom Bosco risponde:

Salve Paolo. Come può ben immaginare, non mi trovo assolutamente d'accordo con la sua analisi. Il fatto che l'autore si sia dato un gran da fare nel smentire le sue stesse riprese (il NOT è stato aggiunto solo ieri...) suggerisce invece che sia stato "pizzicato" dai suoi superiori o dalle autorità preposte e obbligato a ritrattare. Altrimenti, che motivo avrebbe avuto di commentare inizialmente un post del suo "odiato" Marcianò scrivendo:
Nice job tanker enemy... I like the enhancements. Btw, I took the video while We Were flying over Canada. Thanks for translating the video I Will Understand more people what's going on. I'll post more as I See Them.

addition, the dialogue between the pilots is not true that one says that "if the shot goes on Youtube that someone will think this is compelling evidence of 'chemtrails'." Do not fool ourselves. The dialogue is more or less:
"You see that sprays the chemical trail?"
"Yeah,"
"We are right on top of them"
"fact"
"I guess I'll put it on youtube"
"It's like something splashes dall'estradosso wings"
On the other hand, I just can not understand how one can speak of "contrails" aerodynamic in this case, where you can see very well that this is something completely different, but so ... As usual, everyone sees what they want to see. Of course, this may include my comment to our discussion.

soon!

Tom Bosco / NEXUS

I reply to Bosco (paragraphs in smaller font are quotes from previous messages to Bosco):

Hi Paul. As you can imagine, I am not entirely agree with his analysis. The fact that the author has given a great deal to do in the denying his own times (the NOT was added only yesterday ...) suggests instead that it was "pinched" by his superiors or by the authorities and forced to recant.

Or the author hath been given to do to disprove because he now has realized that supporters of "chemtrails" are taken as true what began as a joke to make fun of them. Just like the famous photo of the 'inside of a chemical tanker, "she pointed out that as fake in Paradise conference last year.

Which of the two hypotheses best fits the facts?

a) A pilot takes a contrail very nice and decided to put the video on YouTube to make fun of the supporters of the "chemtrails" and continues to taunt them (discussing "nice job", "good job" on Tanker Enemy) when the bait.

b) A pilot incorporates an ultra-top-secret military and puts it in plain sight on YouTube, where it is easy to trace who posted the video, with all the disastrous consequences of the case.

If they were the authorities to pinch, it's really hard to think that they would leave an online video that shows in great detail the operation of their technology secret. They removed the video directly.


Otherwise, what reason would have to comment on a post of his initially "hated" Mark wrote: If

"hated" refers to any of my feelings towards Rosario Marciano, is an expression del tutto fuori luogo. Ma non ha importanza.

Nice job tanker enemy... I like the enhancements. Btw, I took the video while we were flying over Canada. Thanks for translating the video so more people will understand what's going on. I'll post more as I see them.

Lo so, l'umorismo dei piloti a volte è difficile da cogliere.


Inoltre, nel dialogo fra i piloti non è affatto vero che uno dice che "se la ripresa va su Youtube qualcuno penserà che si tratti di una prova schiacciante di 'scie chimiche'." Non prendiamoci in giro. Il dialogo è più o meno:
"Lo vedi che spruzza la scia chimica?"
"Già"
"We are right on top of them"
"fact"
"I guess I'll put it on youtube"
"It's like something splashes dall'estradosso wings"

transcribe verbatim, to the extent than you can understand in the audio very disturbed:

1:00 (the first is not spoken): Person who
resumed: "You see it ... You see HIM That chemtrail spraying?"
Other person: "Yeah. Good luck we're above him".
PCR: "I know."
AP: "'Cause We'd be dead right now!"
AP: [inaudible]
PCR: "I'm gonna put this on Youtube."
AP: (Laughs) "Are you videoing it right now?"
(pause)
AP: "Oh God, do not ... do not video it right now!"
PCR: "It's like it's spraying out of the top wings of ITS."
AP: "Do not Do not Do Any ... [inaudible]."

and humor. The tone of the laughter and the voice of the person, "pleads" not to resume, is unmistakable.

Not to mention that 'It's like "is" as if sprayed. Are you saying that _somiglia_ in a spray, then it is not.

Apart from anything else, the basic problem remains: why the authors of an alleged conspiracy would be so secretive and dangerous scoundrels to dissolve a video that shows their deadly work and then leave it even published?

On the other hand, I just can not understand how one can speak of "contrails" aerodynamic again, where you can see very well that this is something completely different

Not really. The aerodynamic contrail is formed regularly on the wing surfaces. This phenomenon is well known and documented. One example among many: a Lufthansa Airbus A330, D-AIMC brands, flying over the North Sea August 10, 2004. Photo by Sigurdur Benediktsson, published Airliners.net .



Here you find links to technical publications that describe the known aerodynamic phenomenon of contrails.

http://sciechimicheinfo.blogspot.com/2008/10/16-perche-ci-sono-anche-fotografie-in.html

I find it rather surprising that a driver like you are not aware of these phenomena and this documentation. He tried to discuss with his colleagues in flight?

, but so ... As usual, everyone sees what they want to see. Of course, this may include my comment to our discussion.


Fine, I'll do it willingly.


soon!


Tom Bosco / NEXUS


Sincerely

Paul.

Bosco replied

> Hi Paul. As you can imagine, I am not entirely agree with his analysis. The fact that the author has given a great deal to do in the denying his own times (the NOT was added only yesterday ...) suggests instead that it was "pinched" by his superiors or by the authorities and forced to recant .

Or the author hath been given to do to disprove because he now has realized that supporters of "chemtrails" are taken as true what began as a joke to make fun of them. Just like the famous photo of the 'inside of a chemical tanker " that you yourself pointed as a forgery in Paradise conference last year.


Which of the two hypotheses best fits the facts?


a) A pilot takes a contrail very nice and decided to put the video on YouTube to make fun of the supporters of the "chemtrails" and continues to taunt them (discussing "nice job", "good job" on Tanker Enemy) as bait.


b) A pilot incorporates an ultra-top-secret military and puts it in plain sight on YouTube, where it is easy to trace who posted the video, with all the negative consequences of caso.


Se fossero state le autorità a pizzicarlo, è davvero difficile pensare che avrebbero lasciato online un video che mostrasse in grande dettaglio il funzionamento della loro tecnologia segretissima. Avrebbero rimosso il video direttamente.

Converrà con me che è difficile rimuovere qualcosa che nel frattempo è stato scaricato e postato altrove da centinaia di persone, no? Vero è che la persona in questione avrebbe dovuto essere più prudente e dar retta al collega: "Oh God, don't... don't video it right now!" e "Don't... don't do any [incomprensibile]."


› Altrimenti, che motivo avrebbe avuto first to comment on a post of his "hated" Mark wrote:


If "hated" refers to any of my feelings towards Rosario Marciano, is an expression completely out of place. But it does not matter.

I had put in quotation marks to be ironic about his well-known lack of sympathy towards Rosario Marciano, though I apologize for that ...


> Nice job tanker enemy ... I like the enhancements. Btw, I Took the video while we where flying over Canada. Thanks for translating the video I Will Understand more people what's going on. I'll post more as I See Them.


I know, the humor of the drivers is sometimes difficult to observe.

Be ', and I have the pilot, I think, even with a smile, but in this case I just can not catch him ...


> Also, in the dialogue between the pilots is not true that one says that "if the shot goes on Youtube that someone will think this is compelling evidence of 'chemtrails'." Do not fool ourselves. The dialogue is more or less: > "You see that sprays the chemical trail?"
> "Yeah,"
> "We are right above them"
> "fact"
› "Mi sa che lo metterò su youtube"
› "È come se spruzzasse qualcosa dall'estradosso delle ali"


Trascrivo testualmente, nei limiti di quanto si riesce a capire nell'audio molto disturbato:


1:00 (prima non c'è parlato):
Persona che riprende: "You see it... You see him spraying that chemtrail?"
Altra persona: "Yeah. Good luck we're above him".
PCR: "I know."
AP: "'Cause we'd be dead right now!"
AP: [incomprensibile]
PCR: "I'm gonna put this on Youtube."
AP: (Laughs) "Are you videoing it right now?"
(pause)
AP: "Oh God, do not ... do not video it right now!"
PCR: "It's like it's spraying out of the top wings of ITS."
AP: "Do not Do not Do Any ... [inaudible]."


and humor. The tone of the laughter and the voice of the person, "pleads" not to resume, is unmistakable.

Maybe it will be clear to you, but not for me ... or for many other people, a couple of them professional drivers in business.


Not to mention that 'It's like "is" as if sprayed. Are you saying that _somiglia_ in a spray, then it is not.

Or perhaps "it is as if originating from the spray."

Apart from anything else, the basic problem remains: why the authors of an alleged conspiracy would be so secretive and dangerous scoundrels to dissolve a video that shows their deadly work and then leave it even published?

In fact, when they realized the "crap" they put a piece ... (See my earlier comment) just as they say here in the Veneto, "This is Pezo el Tacon of Buso (the patch is worse than the hole).

> On the other hand, I just can not understand how one can speak of "contrails" aerodynamic again, where you can see perfectly well that is something completely different


Not really. The aerodynamic contrail is formed regularly on the wing surfaces. It is a phenomenon well known and documented. One example among many: a Lufthansa Airbus A330, D-AIMC brands, flying over the North Sea August 10, 2004. Photo by Sigurdur Benediktsson, posted on Airliners.net.


Here you find links to technical publications that describe the well-known phenomenon of aerodynamic contrails.


http://sciechimicheinfo.blogspot.com/2008/10/16-perche-ci-sono-anche-fotografie-in.html


I find it rather surprising that as a pilot she is not aware of these phenomena and this documentation. He tried to discuss with his colleagues in flight?

am fully aware of these phenomena, just not what I observe in the video. And, yes, I have discussed with some fellow drivers. In this regard, I will tell you that time, I blend a rather interesting and I think it is time to translate it into reality, but do not ask me what it is ... I would not spoil the surprise! A little 'patience, and you will see ...

> but there you are ... As usual, everyone sees what they want to see. Of course, this may include my comment to our discussion.

Fine, I'll do it willingly. There

account. Of course also add these notations ...

>
> next time!
>
> Tom Woods / NEXUS

Sincerely
Paul.

Aloha

Tom

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