The article was updated after initial publication. Tomorrow, Friday, May 22, will be held Florence at a conference dedicated to promoting the alarm about "chemtrails". The meeting will be held from 15 at the Conference Room of Villa Rusciano, Via Benedetto Fortini 37.
Speakers Pattera Rosario Marciano and George, known to those who follow the issue; the deputy in charge of the Long Claudio, Antonio Sarpieri, the municipal council of Savignano sul Rubicon "first town in Italy to adopt a motion on the issue of chemtrails ; Angelo Baracca, "lecturer in physics at the University of Florence" , and (via Internet), professor of physics and the deputy Corrado Penna Sandro Brandolini, author of parliamentary questions on the subject of "chemtrails" .
If you have occasion to go there, I would ask a favor: to help these people to read. Giorgio Pattera, for example, remains convinced that the migration to the wind spiders (programs that create seemingly mysterious filaments, placed in relation to the "chemtrails") does not exist, and believes, along with Corrado Penna, that contrails Condensation is a real phenomenon rare because it requires a relative humidity of 70% in the atmosphere.
you want to bring them some 'documentation in order to correct their mistakes? Do not need to spend the entire afternoon listening to their statements: download and print the documents listed below, draw them closer in a break in the conference and consegnateglieli politely asking them to read and explain the contents as indicated below. If possible, pick the scene and posted the video on the Internet.
At least from now on can not say they were not informed.
- The Formation of Exhaust Condensation Trails by Jet Aircraft , H. Appleman, Bulletin American Meteorological Society, 1953: still a reference text for the meteorologists, not only documents the existence of contrails well before the nineties, but that document contains tables that contrails are formed with 0% relative humidity (public only cover e le tabelle ( una e due ) in questione per motivi di copyright)
- L' Encyclopaedia Britannica , edizione cartacea, Vol. 21, voce "spider" , che cita il reperimento di filamenti di ragni migratori a vari chilometri di quota ( copertina e citazione ).
- Aerial Dispersal in a Known Spider Populati on , Eric Duffey, Journal of Animal Ecology , Vol. 25, No. 1, May, 1956, che documenta che la migrazione aerea dei ragni è nota dai tempi di Aristotele e che vengono trovati anche in quota.
- La lista delle citazioni e delle fotografie of "spiders high altitude" in the technical literature and documentaries, including pictures of The Living Planet (BBC, 1984).
- The denial of "chemtrails" compiled by meteorologists to Meteoromagna. The document
- denial and explanation of the Italian pilots of MD80.it.
- The denials of meteorologist Mario Giuliacci, the pilot and the physicist Peter Pallini Dario Giaiotti Regional Meteorological Centre of the Friuli Venezia Giulia.
24/05/2009: The guide to who was
A reader, Ignis , was present at the meeting and sent me these notes that the public in full, with minor modifications to remove typos and formatting. There being no evidence so far of third parties or video recordings (among other things prohibited by the organizers), the public report with the necessary condition that the professional ethics requires me, although I have no reason to doubt the good faith of Ignis. The personal comments of Ignis are separated from the note indicated by square brackets and in italics. Highlights are mine. My comments are out of the blue box.
I attended the conference for mere curiosity, I had two friends (an engineer and a physicist), on some occasions (eg at certain movies that I considered of little interest) sono uscito dalla sala per prendere aria (la giornata era calda e umida, maledette scie chimiche), mi scuso quindi con tutti per eventuali refusi ed errori o omissioni.
Scie chimiche, convegno a Firenze, 22 maggio 2009
[NDR: un nemico esiste e se non esiste inventiamolo]
Arrivo presto (14:20), sala quasi vuota, una decina i presenti tra relatori e persone che penso siano parte dell'associazione. Verso le 15:00 la sala si riempie. Sono presenti circa 90-100 persone. Sul tavolo dove siedono i relatori è presente una scatola con su scritto “contributi” . Alla conferenza gente di molte età e “tipo”, fuori anche a van for "OSHO.
Among the speakers do not sit Angelo Baracca, who sits near the front row defiladed instead of chairs for the audience.
A girl opened the conference, I suppose to represent the association. He says that the purpose of the meeting ask questions and see what happens. States that the Department did not give any economic support, is forbidden to shoot video and still the video (there's a camera that takes over) will be posted on the Internet, the speakers have not received any compensation, only those who are from outside has received a refund.
us that there is a list where you can enter your name and to participate in initiatives Committee [which committee?]
It 's very interesting to note that precisely the sciachimisti, those who accuse everyone of attacking, they falsify and obscure the truth, whether that prohibit shooting video.
The "committee" in question is presumably the "Committee Tanker Enemy" Rosario Marciano.
Talk Councillor Del Lungo, which states that the availability of the hall is given in "automatic" associations requesting them to: Grant the room does not mean sharing the contents of the conference.
This statement may be seen as a distancing councilor, but it is to ask a question on the sense and plausibility of this approach: if the room had been requested by an association that denies the Holocaust or promote racism or intolerance, or pedophilia, was granted the same "automatic"?
The granting of the room did not involve any cost to the City. He has no interest in political MISUSE conference, because that is not a candidate and has no intention to continue in politics.
He traced on articles published in past decades (he cites one of Heron) who spoke of the dangers of burning in the air and cites the experiments of the 70s to avoid the hail on campi.
Si chiede se c'è un uso di sostanze nei cieli, se è sistematico. L'ARPA non fa questo tipo di analisi. Lui non crede all'uso sistematico.
Ha ricevuto decine di email, per lo più anonime, con su scritto “vergogna” “vai a studiare” ecc... [non ha parlato di “minacce”] oltre a telefonate anche dal mondo accademico [vox populi dice che una telefonata di un suo amico iniziava con “che ca**o fai ..”] .
Il bombardamento di email e telefonate a cui è stato sottoposto in questi giorni lo rende meno scettico verso le “scie chimiche”... mai in nessuna occasione aveva vissuto something. Hopes that someone in the debate refutes the arguments of supporters of "chemtrails." Those who offend is always in the wrong [the commissioner is annoyed but finally seems to have good understanding of who they are sciachimisti .. will understand the first surgery]
Talk Marciano: is defined as an independent researcher. He noted this phenomenon four years ago, we noted, today the sky over Florence is white. He says that the work of air traffic has decreased in recent years but the trails increases. We see, we see that flying low [as a scientific approach is not bad] .
Talk phone Corrado Penna, presented as a physicist. Marciano runs the slide.
degree certificate is shown in pen (he says that anyone has questioned that had graduated). He says the denial rather than criticize the attacks on a personal basis , with slide shows a screenshot of a blog comment to Attivissimo. It tells us that
trails 80 to 20 miles last 5 minutes instead of hours. We must not surprising that the government is trying to poison us, has already happened in the past. Show article in the Guardian "Millions Were in germ war tests" . Start listing of conspiracy theories and arguments and pseudobufale from poor scientific basis [at this point, the friend next to me build a grid on the paper type lottery in which it scored the theories mentioned, will make only a "quintet", for the tombola lacked the protocols of Zion, which in fact has not nominated] .
tells us that ADHD is a disease invented [workhorse of groups that are related to Scientology or that it has cultural roots] and that six million children are being treated with Ritalin. The lead singer of Nirvana was treated with Ritalin as a child. There are fake committees of parents pushing for drugs [false but long to explain here] .
In Italy we have vaccines to mercury causes autism [another controversial issue especially in USA, to date no scientific support] . This is because companies have stockpiles of vaccines to be sold [in practice this digression is to say that we should not be surprising if we want to poison] .
tells us that behind the chemtrails is a big conspiracy and that many know but few speak.
He explains the formation mechanism of the contrails with a drawing showing a piston that compresses steam and a drawing showing a refrigerator, in practice shows that the air acts as a piston compressing the air so the vapor becomes a liquid , releasing the compression (ie when the plane flies away) returns to the Steam [ignorant I wonder: and other factors that affect, such as humidity and temperature? ]
Pen speaks of increased traffic [but how? Marciano had not said that it was decreasing?]
In old photos there are trails, new, yes. Advertising is full of contrails, seem to want to do subliminal advertising [sic] .
Giuffrida talks about a book that gives us the parameters of moisture / pressure for the formation of condensation. The site that gives the parameters for its calculations to first provide updates every hour, now only an average 12 hours, please note that it is suspicious.
He concludes that the aim is also that of mind control, it is no coincidence that in this election period contrails are many more .
[With this pearl of the conference could be close, my friend asks me to control myself because I can see already rolled under my chair laughing. The commissioner seems to have understood Del Lungo, gets up and goes away without saying goodbye]
Talk George Pattera [his is the action more credible to the look and charm of the character as well as to build realistic and sophist which] . He complimented Del Lungo, is surprising because of the emails and phone calls saying that if they are crazy enough to ignore them and give them the "civil death" anziché fare queste guerre.
Dice che la scienza davanti un fenomeno nuovo deve indagare, che ci sono i dati che mostrano l'esistenza del fenomeno [le solite cose, 8000 mt, - 40° ecc...] . Però la Pubblica Amministrazione non se ne interessa (come l'ARPA) o dice che questo fenomeno non è vero. Le risposte alle interrogazioni parlamentari sono state vaghe.
Mostra un video del meteorologo tedesco che dice che ci sono scie che non sono nuvole e non sa cosa sono. Pattera chiosa che forse questo meteorologo ha pagato col licenziamento quell'affermazione.
Lunga dissertazione sulle analisi delle tele dei ragni fatte da lui e dall'università di Firenze (non può fare il nome del biologist for fear of retaliation). Shows a video that frames a trail and a filament chemical [the question is .. how big was this wake zoom to frame a thousand yards away and a filament of a few cm?]
is interrupted [from what will become of my myths] Palermo from a guy who says that the same type of filaments is found at the Marian apparitions.
Resumes Pattera talking about a U.S. patent to change the fabric of a rare spider that lives in Australia (and therefore "non-domestic" [sic] ). On the filaments have made the test burning etc ... [yawn and I leave the room] .
So these paintings are nothing more than small parachute. On 30 December [do not remember what year] in Parma they sent a series of complaints, the only body that showed interest was the ARPA, but the next day the paper read the news of six executives arrested ARPA [I did not understand the link] . Closes by saying that if he had said that the earth is flat there would have been the bombardment of email in Del Lungo.
Mark shows the differences between the microscope and nanopolymers spider's web, which are nothing if not carriers incorporating nanosensors [with all 'sti need is Snow White dwarfs] and other things. E 'in the sulfur dare questa colorazione al cielo. Oggi nel cielo c'è una copertura biancastra anche se le previsione dicevano “sole” [una prova scientifica ineluttabile] .
La copertura fa da serra e crea uno strato elettroconduttivo. Il caldo e l'effetto serra, non sono causati dal CO2 ma dalle microonde. In tutti i filmati ufficiali [ma che sono i filmati ufficiali?] non ci sono scie.
Pattera dice che a San Marino, in occasione di un convegno in cui parlò di scie chimiche, un amico colonnello lo avvertì che avrebbe potuto avere noie. Saluta e va via.
Parla l'assessore Serpieri [mi pare in perfetta buona fede ma non so come spiegarmi questa sua adesione a questa outlandish conspiracy theory. I have no interest in his speech, go out] . They try to intervene to
Hon. Brandolini, but the link does not work.
Marciano: same old crap: -40 °, 70% relative humidity, -6 ° per km are involved military and civilian aircraft spraying build a grid at different heights, preferably the towns. Spraying with drones [memories that I have Italian Air Force, there was no money even to buy the pen, the old F104 flying - and often, unfortunately, fell - for the ability of mechanical and engine .. should be '!] .
All this to create a sandwich [I love the technical terms] the electroconductivity. At high altitude the humidity drops to zero.
NASA is part of the conspiracy [here and really do not understand, if NASA is part of the plot because it is NASA same to provide them with data that clings to justify their outlandish theory?]
Talk Hon. Brandolini [I'm out, back and my friend tells me that Brandolini stated that more information can be found in Wikipedia on the subject. I curse to myself and I plan to check on my return home] .
Talk interpellation submitted that, also signed by three colleagues Democratic Party [but things a bit 'more serious to worry? But that will not just ask what he was defense minister during the Prodi government?]
finished the telephone intervention, even Serpieri be away for political commitments.
Mark speaks of "disinformation" , how it is obvious that since they are paid 24 hours a day to make him the war. DJ is a very active [from the audience makes him a note that he is a surveyor] . The uninformed have a modus operandi that is only meant to do it off the handle.
Meteorology in Italy is managed only by the military. He wants answers from those who count and not from the racks as Attivissimo. The contradiction will accept only those who count. Show a movie in which it is parodied.
Questions from the audience: an old man points out that it is too evil to think that there is such a vast network of complicity and that they are poisoning themselves [as well as their loved ones poisoning] . The ladies, however, is silenced [apparently not yet the time for questions] . However, a gentleman spoke of the committee of anti-Roma trails that mentions the work of his committee.
[this "trend and a return" (questions yes, no questions) seems to happen because they want to talk to the prof. Cabin, which seems rather do not want it to intervene]
Resumes word marks. Just analyze the tears and urine and rainwater in areas away from industrial sites to understand the phenomenon. So we talk about:
- bees dying (or have nervous system damage and this damage if they have the bees then we .. etc ...)
- electromagnetic waves [aridaje]
- Preservation Act
- HAARP
- microwave at 16 Hz
- a case of Alzheimer's disease every 74 seconds [Madonna oh, do here or in a hurry to go away or I'll never say goodbye to my dear] . Parkinson's, MS etc. .. and aluminum in snacks Mulino Bianco [here, IMHO, is at risk lawsuit]
- chelation therapy as a solution to many ills
- the City of San Remo, which denied him a place in which to carry out the conference.
[They did, convinced cabin. Of him, my friend, I mentioned some anecdotes describing it as a man, perhaps a bit 'eccentric]
Cabin speaks of science and the role of the scientist. Points out that he knows nothing of chemtrails and have insisted that long to do this action. He believes that science progresses by the military more than civilian. Cold fusion exists, it is a reality [sic] .
It 's late, I 18:30, there was enough room for questions. At 18:50 we leave the room because the beautiful mansion that is home to close.
Boy (skeptic like me) shows the analysis of the filaments Pattera that contradict what he said, Pattera is absent; Marco answers, which in essence states that there is no contradiction [apparently annoyed that the first question is that of a "disinformation"] .
As we talk about filaments and that he insists on the differences detected by the microscope, I ask, since you do not go to take part in the filaments but collect them from the earth, how can you be sure that you have analyzed the filament is not a thread of my sweater? Marciano says that they collect when there are trails and then it is clear, and anyway you see falling from the sky [Okay, 'I have now given up all approach to even lick the scientific method] .
Questions should be dry, but from here we see a series of mini-rallies:
- The boy from Palermo (the one that the filaments had seen them in the Marian apparitions) makes a long speech about chemtrails in Palermo and recounts how in March and April and then there was a pandemic of acetone my . no one spoke of this pandemic, many old men are dead, the hospitals were full of children and pregnant women, he went by the police and took one by the collar because they said that there is nothing. He asked WWF, Legambiente and other associations to analyze the samples he had collected, but they replied that it took him 500 € [the intervention is on the edge of madness but everyone applauded, then I suppose that I is delirious. Among other things, the Palermo at me .. Why? He says he is married with children, then I feel more comfortable. Beyond the joke was staring at me because I wanted to convince me with his story].
- also spoke to the type of Rome head of the committee, which outlines the initiatives that have taken [in practice has broken brown by Parliament] . He laments the silence of the institutions in which I point out that there is a fairly accurate answer to La Russa Di Pietro, he says it is vague, then finished his speech, he says, face to face, that the two ladies have told you that stuff secret service [here I reached the apotheosis] .
- also spoke to another gentleman, who says you have to put an end to these wars and their debunker because "we the citizens" we have only one purpose: to know. We want to have clear answers and some [and replies to parliamentary questions?] . Other
- intervention instead of a boy che ha letto di recente un libro e, rispondendo al signore che un'ora prima aveva parlato di diabolicità del complotto, cioè di una rete di complicità assolutamente improbabile, dice che i militari sono andati in Kosovo con l'uranio impoverito [avrei piacere di fargli notare che a quei tempi di uranio impoverito non si sapeva nulla.. va be'] .
- Altro mini-comizio di un altro signore, che ci informa della sua attività nel suo paese. Ci informa che ogni mattina telefona al sindaco per chiedergli di attivarsi! Dice che adesso nessuno più gli dà retta.
Marcianò sottolinea che i disinformatori non si presentano con nome e cognome, a differenza degli altri. Alzo la mano, vorrei precisare che non sono un “disinformatore” perché non ho un blog e non scrivo da nessuna parte e poi che non ho problemi a invitarlo per un caffè e presentarmi come si confà a gente civile quali noi siamo... ma non riesco a dirgli tutto questo, continuano i comizi... la fine dei convegno è vicina.
Mi alzo e vado a riporre due monete da un euro nella cassetta dei contributi, sono stati davvero spesi bene. La sala è tutta gremita di pro-scie, gli scettici siamo sì e no in cinque.
Penso, nella mia ignoranza, che l'uomo tendenzialmente abbia bisogno di paure e nemici per sentirsi legato, parte di uno spicchio di società (e qualcuno ci specula pure). Alla fine dei salmi, fa forse meno danno pensare that there are chemtrails and that the enemy is the government, military, pilots, meteorologists, etc., rather than thinking that the enemy is an immigrant.
Ignis
26/05/2009
Another account of the meeting was published by Thomas Morton here.
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